Mar 9 2006
a few things and an outage
We’ve just released a few small features — inline editing, so you can edit and arrange your bookmarks much more quickly, and we’ve prettied up the URL info page so it is easier to get at the conversation around the links.
Just after midnight on Thursday, we’ll be bringing down the site to roll out some database changes, which will allow us to release private saving and a few related features in the following week. The site will be down for about four hours; announcements will be made here as we go.
Update 12:13am Pacific: Just started the first change. I expect this part to take one hour.
Update 1:45am Pacific: Still running the first part. Just one part to go after this (will take about the same amount of time as it is just the first change propagating across the databases.)
Update 3:19am Pacific: First part just finished. Changes are replicating to the other servers. This should go more quickly.
Update 4:07am Pacific: Second part is completed. I am testing servers and preparing to bring the site back online.
Update 4:30am Pacific: The site is coming back up now. The popular and intersection servers are a bit behind and will come up shortly.
Update 4:47am Pacific: Intersection and popular are back up. There’s a few bad cached items in popular; I will let them flush themselves out over time.
Everything should be working at this point. The next round of upgrades to the site to roll out our next batch of features should not involve taking the site down.
Joshua Schachter · joshua Tags: announcements bookmark this
167 Comments
ZamboniChief | Mar 9 2006 at 3:15 am
i love you for making private bookmarks
Bob | Mar 9 2006 at 3:21 am
Is there a way to go back to the previous view of url? this new one is really busy…
Thx for keeping the rss feed the same though, I can just syndicate that I guess
joshua | Mar 9 2006 at 3:30 am
zamboni — just remember, this is so we can release private next week; unfortunately you will not see any changes till then.
Ash | Mar 9 2006 at 3:39 am
Wow! The new in-place editing and url pages are frikkin’ awesome!
I think the URL pages especially are much easier to read without all the extraneous junk that used to be on there.
Thanks so much!
國生三年才開始&hellip | Mar 9 2006 at 4:03 am
del.icio.us 即將發表私有書籤功能
千呼萬喚始出來啊
del.icio.us 是很好用的 collaborate bookmark service，但是一直以來它都缺了一個很重要的功能：private bookmark，雖然說我覺得 private bookmark 和 collaborate 的精神完全背道而馳，…
Michael | Mar 9 2006 at 5:12 am
I didn’t use delicious until now because there were no private bookmarks, but globally delicious is so great.
I was waiting for the release of private bookmarks to use delicious. Thank you very much for this feature coming soon.
Debajit | Mar 9 2006 at 7:38 am
In-place editing is a wonderful feature :) I’ve been waiting for it.
It really is remarkable that despite so many feature additions and the Yahoo acquisition, del.icio.us still remains the same wonderful web-application that it has always been, with all its trademark simplicity :)
BTW, for links that are bookmarked by many people the text “saved by XXXX other people” below a url in a del.icio.us page can be a little difficult to read.. maybe it’s just me.
Debajit | Mar 9 2006 at 8:08 am
Although private bookmarking may bring in more people to del.icio.us (a lot of people I know are really possessive of stuff they find online, and don’t necessarily want their links publicly visible), I have mixed feelings about how del.icio.us would be after we have private bookmarking in place.
One of the main strengths of del.icio.us, the way I see it, is the ability to discover links, by tag searches or via inbox subscriptions or simply by seeing other’s links. If and when del.icio.us allows private bookmarking, we may have more users, but much of that ability to “discover” the best of the web could be lost.
Maybe I’m just jumping to conclusions, but at least with me, this is the way I’d like private bookmarking to be: make the private bookmark publicly visible but do not show to others who bookmarked it. Would private bookmarks be “discoverable” by tags?
Gawain | Mar 9 2006 at 8:09 am
Will you update extension of firefox together?
ken | Mar 9 2006 at 8:25 am
Color scheme is looking good and inplace editing is good - can you make the input box for comments as per the full screen page, the one line makes wrapping/scrolling text harder to read/edit/revise :)
jr | Mar 9 2006 at 9:44 am
The inline edit doesn’t work well in Opera. The Ok/Cancel buttons aren’t buttons, just text. And the auto completion doesn’t appear.
Kevin | Mar 9 2006 at 10:00 am
How about an easy way to backup our bookmarks on our hard drive?
J. J. | Mar 9 2006 at 10:04 am
I like how everything is neatly summarized now on the new URL info pages. However, it was nice to see what tags other people used on the old URL info page; an option to go to the old view would serve well as a more detailed archive.
fitnr | Mar 9 2006 at 10:19 am
The URL info page is now incredibly mixed-up. The old way was much clearer. Too much information is presented twice, and I can no longer see what tags individuals used. del.icio.us is all about the tags. Being unable to see how specific other users tagged a link cripples one of the social aspects of the site.
other notes:
I don’t need to see my version of the bookmark right at the top - I probably know what I thought about it.
Listing the first poster twice (once in a special spot and once in chronological order) is really confusing.
For pages that had bursts of popularity, blocks of 30-40 usernames (as in the right column) is totally useless.
Most people don’t use the comments field of a link for more than one or two words. Again, it’s tags that are more useful.
Charlie | Mar 9 2006 at 10:19 am
Mmmm. The URL-specific page looks great. Thanks.
britta | Mar 9 2006 at 11:40 am
Kevin: try http://del.icio.us/settings/username/export/ .
yargo | Mar 9 2006 at 12:03 pm
I agree with Debajit: having private bookmarks just not marked with the poster, but still accessible for everybody would be great. If one really wants to keep something secret, it should not be posted on the net; but sometimes you don’t want others to know what you’re interested in.
And it would be a pity if the social aspect of del.icio.us would vane!
Kent Bye | Mar 9 2006 at 12:18 pm
On the URL page, I would like to be able to see the tag in a list by frequency — Not just the tag cloud.
There is an option to toggle between the two for my default page, so why not have it on the URL page too?
The bookmarklet that allows me to see the actual number of tags each post received is not as useful now.
Thanks!
joshua | Mar 9 2006 at 1:00 pm
Kent — that is a very good point; it should respect your settings.
Dejabit and Yargo — That is true but, I think people would freak out; privacy and anonymity are not quite the same.
Bob | Mar 9 2006 at 1:06 pm
Why aren’t you updating Google Reader RSS tag feeds? They haven’t been updated in a week.
Marcus | Mar 9 2006 at 2:30 pm
Gorram it, you beat me to adding inline editing. Ah well. :P I like the new URL pages: it definitely makes sense to cut out all repeated cruft and just have the descriptions. It makes the more popular bookmark histories a little less unwieldy than they were before, which is good, but I think you still might need to go for paging at some point.
Good stuff with adding private bookmarks too. I imagine that’ll give a lot of people using other systems another reason to reconsider.
Bob | Mar 9 2006 at 3:29 pm
my bad, this is a google reader bug
joshua | Mar 9 2006 at 3:34 pm
bob — google reader definitely is hitting the logs, but they frequently get throttled since they hit us very hard (and never use If-Modified-Since, which would save us a lot)
Krup | Mar 9 2006 at 4:22 pm
Inline editing: great. Private links: even better. Loss of tags on URL page: terrible. Hope you’ll bring them back.
Chris | Mar 9 2006 at 9:12 pm
Yes, PLEASE bring back the tags on the add URL page!! It’s hard to live without.
Please.
Simon | Mar 9 2006 at 10:51 pm
Inline editing: FINALLY. You guys are my heroes.
Shaun | Mar 10 2006 at 2:02 am
The ability to save tags in the order you want seems to have been changed. I was one of those anal retentive people that like tags in a certain order. Now I see some of my bookmarks with their tags all mixed up. Is this feature gone and I need to get use to this? Or will we have the option of alphabetical or go back to user preference?
huixing | Mar 10 2006 at 2:12 am
i don’t like the new URL info page arrangement, it shown only common tag, so now there are not serendipity from other’s tag, all mundane tag of any taste. i like to look the hidden gem from other bookmarker’s tagging.
also, added bookmarker’s note should not be ramp into one time space. thank you.
huixing | Mar 10 2006 at 2:15 am
i don’t like the new URL info page arrangement, it shown only common tag, so now there are not serendipity from other’s tag, all mundane tag of any taste. i like to look the hidden gem from other bookmarker’s tagging.
also, added bookmarker’s note should not be ramp into one time space. thank you.
Bernardo | Mar 10 2006 at 2:18 am
I’m in agreement with Shaun. I’ve been meticulous about the order in which I place tags and seeing them all jumbled up is a little painful. I also agree with those people who prefer the old history pages–though I think I understand that the new style is a bit more protective of users. A final quibble: I liked it before when the order in which entries were listed was by date created instead of how it seems to be now–by date modified. I retag things all the time and I’d prefer the order to remain the same.
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 2:31 am
Shaun, Bernardo — the tags should not be getting reordered; that is clearly a bug.
Where is the listing order getting changed? This is probably also a bug.
kael | Mar 10 2006 at 2:57 am
I confirm the tags re-ordering. This bug is really annoying.
Thanks for the new edit UI - it’s really cool.
Bernardo | Mar 10 2006 at 3:02 am
joshua: the listing order is/was (it seems to have stopped) getting changed on http://del.icio.us/user . If I edited an entry inline and refreshed the page, the entry would move to the top of the list with the date posted reset.
As for tags being reordered, whenever I edited an entry inline on http://del.icio.us/user, saved, and then refreshed the page, the tags would be listed in a different, (seemingly) random order not only for that entry but for all the entries listed on the page. Refresh again and they’d all reorder (entries with the exact same tags shared the same, seemingly random order). Refresh again, same. Again, then maybe only some change. Again, and none get reordered. Strange… I’m sorry I can’t be more useful in documenting the experience.
Now when I edit tag order inline tags still aren’t staying in the order I put them, but only that entry is affected on refreshing the page. Entries aren’t moving up the list. Tags for all entries appear to be in a different order in which I originally typed them though.
Scott | Mar 10 2006 at 3:09 am
When will you re-enable import? I really want to make the leap, but can’t imagine doing it one URL at a time…
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 3:10 am
Ok. We’ll sort this out in the morning.
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 3:15 am
We’re going to enable import after privacy goes live.
Jerome | Mar 10 2006 at 3:17 am
I know that it’s very difficult to plan technical interventions. But, next time, please announce them more. Because I live in Switzerland, Europe, and for us, it’s daytime !!!
Thanks.
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 3:21 am
Sorry about that. We had to do it sometime
Mikael | Mar 10 2006 at 3:27 am
Tripple thumbs up for the private bookmarks feature!
David Mackie | Mar 10 2006 at 3:33 am
Please could you post times in UCT or GMT for us users who are not in America.
method | Mar 10 2006 at 3:37 am
+1 dejabit and yargo’s point. Make it two options, anonymous or “completely private”. They’re two different use cases. I use “completely private” for tagging a picture of my girlfriend on Flickr or something. I use anonymous for tagging something I’d be embarassed for someone else to know I’m interested in. I mean, isn’t the technical challenge how to get people to disclose their favorite porn sites? :)
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 3:42 am
unfortunately, anonymity is something that i think very few users would actually choose…
method | Mar 10 2006 at 3:42 am
Or, more seriously, post resources relating to sensitive issues? Rape, mental illness, etcetera.
Gita | Mar 10 2006 at 3:46 am
Re: Time - Pacific is GMT -8.
Re: Privacy - One of the few things that’s kept me from abandoning the other social tagging/bookmarking sites altogether, thank you for introducing it! I don’t mean to blaspheme (ehem), but I really like the way Jots has implemented privacy, with completely private bookmarks as well as private groups. Might I hope for something similar in the future? I might be in the minority, but I find the current practise of for: a bit awkward.
Inline editing is beautiful, and the new URL-specific pages are, perhaps, an acquired taste, but a step in the right direction. I also would like to see all tags given to an URL, not just the common ones.
I agree that the uh.. salmon(?)-coloured background isn’t really easy on the eyes when an URL is popular.
Our tags playing musical chairs has been identified as a bug. Once the bug’s squashed, will the order in which the tags were originally entered resurface, or will we need to manually re-order them? (*Shuddering at the thought of reordering tags for hundreds of URLs, only slightly less at leaving them alone.*)
Thanks for all the work you do.
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 3:47 am
Well, instead of anonymity, you could create a totally separate account if you want to get stuff to folks without having it be associated with you?
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 3:48 am
I believe the tags are saved in the input order. Can you give me an example of one that remains out of order and the order it ought to be in?
Amanda | Mar 10 2006 at 3:50 am
Make friends by heart!
method | Mar 10 2006 at 3:52 am
But that’s a profile, albeit only a partial one.
Gita | Mar 10 2006 at 4:07 am
Regarding input order of tags, I’ll have a look when I’m able to get to my bookmarks again, and happily post an example if things are still out of sorts.
kara korsan | Mar 10 2006 at 4:08 am
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sjf | Mar 10 2006 at 4:11 am
You know when you provide a service people depend on it is common curtesy to inform them of planned outages.
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 4:15 am
We did announce it.
Mats Lindbärg | Mar 10 2006 at 4:19 am
hey, give them a break, this is a great FREE service that they are upgrading to be even better. A few hours of downtime isn’t that bad.
Kishore Balakrishnan | Mar 10 2006 at 4:21 am
If an online service will be down for about 4 hours… is it worth considering a temporary service (within del.icio.us) to accept “link / text / tags” only and merge this info to the _big_ database later !
Gareth | Mar 10 2006 at 4:24 am
Hi,
good to see you are all working hard, but i think it is a big mistake letting people keep bookmarks private. The collective voice of delicious is what makes it so great.
osde.info | Mar 10 2006 at 4:27 am
Private bookmarks will bring me back to del.icio.us from the competitor sites !
Tarky | Mar 10 2006 at 4:27 am
I think del.icio.us is great ! I use it these days as a way to do far deeper searches than I can get from Google. I have been calling del.icio.us ‘threads of thought’ in talking to other industry people. Thank You !
yargo | Mar 10 2006 at 4:27 am
joshua: that’s a point.. one could easily have a second account for the bookmarks which one does not want to be linked to oneself. It just takes more DB space, I suppose, but as it is not mine.. ;-p
method: I still don’t see why one should not want to have a Flickr photo linked here. Google Photo may find it anyway - if you don’t want something accessible on the net, put it at least behind some password protection, otherwise “something” *will* find it.
Gita | Mar 10 2006 at 4:32 am
I’m a little surprised by the negative response to the downtime. As Mats said, this is a wonderful, free service that Yahoo is providing and on which the del.icio.us team is diligently working. I’d think that we users of this free service could show a little of that courtesy we’re so quick to demand. The outage was planned and announced, and no matter what time the database was taken offline, it would be inconvenient for someone; that’s the consequence of having a time difference, and it’s unavoidable. It’s just (an estimated) four hours! Can we not, during that short time, save links to our local bookmarks folder and add them to del.icio.us later? (No offence, Kishore, my response isn’t directed pointedly at you.)
del.icio.user | Mar 10 2006 at 4:33 am
> The site will be down for about four hours;
> announcements will be made here as we go.
i was here :)
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 4:45 am
Kishore has a good point, though. In the future I hope not to have to do this kind of stuff.
bla | Mar 10 2006 at 4:45 am
very intelligent! thanks for not announcing the downtime BEFORE!!!! what do you think how often I need my bookmarks? once every week?
I know, I have to be thankful to get the service for free, but, hmm, this is really stupid
Tino | Mar 10 2006 at 4:46 am
Aw, c’mon! shutting off del.icio.us from 12 - 4 AM PACIFIC? This is high traffic office business time in Europe, I’m opening dozens of pages that need to be tagged as soon as you’re back online..
Suggestion: Next time please use globally weighted traffic stats to see when’s the best time to shut down the system for updates..
Thanks for maintenance and upgrades though!
Andy | Mar 10 2006 at 4:48 am
I’m looking forward to the new features!
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 4:52 am
It’s always prime time somewhere. Our heaviest traffic is during the US afternoon.
Andy | Mar 10 2006 at 4:58 am
I may be jumping the gun a bit now but what about now that Yahoo have bought Del.icio.us intergrating it into myyahoo. Keeping the Del.icio.us service open for those who would prefer to use that.
Would give users a choice
learnerdriver | Mar 10 2006 at 5:01 am
hi can you tell me how i can download my list of links say into a .CSV file
Marty | Mar 10 2006 at 5:08 am
okay..when are you back online… confused.I love this site and check it several times a day.. I have found some fabulous website… I can do without the splanket though..
Sims | Mar 10 2006 at 5:09 am
i think that the new opition to make bookmarks private is totaly against the main idea of this website and it will kill it.
there is alot of websites that offers to save your bookmarks online and what was special in this website is that the fun in sharing and finding each other bookmarks.
now with the private bookmarks it will become just another website where people save their bookmarks online.
so it will bring some more users but the damage will be much much greater than the benefit
too bad you decided to sell this website spirit to the rating devil.
i dont think i would like to use this site anymore when it will have private bookmarks
since it will no longer be special and that’s because the idea of sharing will be gone.
too bad another great website gone in favor of little addition to it’s rating.
Gita | Mar 10 2006 at 5:10 am
Back online, according to the original estimate, in just under two hours.
Scott | Mar 10 2006 at 5:10 am
Andy, Yahoo! also has MyWeb which is very similar to what del.icio.us offers. In fact it seems redundant to have both. I’m predicting a future merger of the services.
Marty | Mar 10 2006 at 5:10 am
Okay..I will try that in English…
I LOVE THIS WEBSITE and I check it several times a day.. I have found some amazing websites through you..
hint, always click preview!
Sims | Mar 10 2006 at 5:11 am
i think that the new opition to make bookmarks private is totaly against the main idea of this website and it will kill it.
there is alot of websites that offers to save your bookmarks online and what was special in this website is that the fun in sharing and finding each other bookmarks.
now with the private bookmarks it will become just another website where people save their bookmarks online.
so it will bring some more users but the damage will be much much greater than the benefit
too bad you decided to sell this website spirit to the rating devil.
i dont think i would like to use this site anymore when it will have private bookmarks
since it will no longer be special and that’s because the idea of sharing will be gone.
too bad another great website gone in favor of little addition to it’s rating.
Bob | Mar 10 2006 at 5:13 am
I’m not sure it is such a negative response to the downtime, maybe its a reflection on just how well used the site is.
I appreciate for the non European folks its perhaps not a problem. But it is frustrating when you rely on something, and then it is gone. I have no issue with being unable to tag, but not being able to retrieve is troublesome.
Still its all free, so its all good. And maintenance has to happen sometime, all in all we should not complain to loudly.
Maybe a page redirect/popup with major announcement issues like this could be incorporated. Not for general news, but a loud announcement for system outage would be cool.
Philipp Keller | Mar 10 2006 at 5:13 am
New features roll out! Wow, you have finished your performance boostup trip then..? :-)
Gita | Mar 10 2006 at 5:15 am
Regarding the concerns over private bookmarks, expressed by Sims and others, it seems that a few people think that this is a quantity vs quality issue. It’s not, imho. Of at least 1500 or so links, I have about 10 that I would like to keep private. Without private bookmarks on del.icio.us, it means that I keep those 10 bookmarks local; with private bookmarks on del.icio.us, it means that I get to have all my resources in one location, private and public. Statistically, I don’t think it’ll affect the overall quality of the site, the social aspect of the site, or the “discovery” aspect of the site, at all. The feature will only, again imho, serve to make del.icio.us a more robust and complete solution for users.
Gita | Mar 10 2006 at 5:22 am
@ Bob: You’re right. I was focusing on the seemingly unreasonable response to the inability to tag, but didn’t consider our inability to retrieve (probably because I’m just in the middle of tagging all my bookmarks).
Regarding announcements, I wonder if this information could be pushed to our pages? When importing bookmarks, another social bookmarking site displays a “highlight” (light yellow) div (the height of a single line of text) at the top of the page as you’re using the site. When the import is complete, the area states that your bookmarks have been successfully imported, and then disappears. I wonder if perhaps you could use a similar mechanism to say hey, the site’s going down in 60… 30… 20.. etc. minutes, please take this opportunity to export your bookmarks if you will need them in the next few hours. Mebbe?
Le Divin Marquis | Mar 10 2006 at 5:32 am
good luck !
Hope everything will be ok.
Gluek | Mar 10 2006 at 5:33 am
Private saving is very needed. Waiting when site goes online :)
tony | Mar 10 2006 at 5:35 am
I agree with you, gita. I’d only keep a few BMs provate myself, maybe links to my client websites or (as a web developer) sites under construction. I only recently discovered del.icio.us and I frickin’ LOVE it. Great source of inspiration and you can just get lost in it for hours :)
Except when it’s down, of course. The trials we must bear.
Thank you del.icio.us team….
Pedro Victor | Mar 10 2006 at 5:41 am
Please, don’t make private saving. The best thing in del.icio.us is discovering new sites :(
Clifford Caoile | Mar 10 2006 at 5:43 am
Is the “privacy links” feature something like this:
Private link (yes|no, default: no)
(when yes, add this condition:)
Publish link anonymously (yes | no, default: yes)
Hopefully these defaults retain the social aspect of del.icio.us.
What do you think about this feature?
anon | Mar 10 2006 at 5:48 am
Thanks for your awesome work!
Pedro Victor | Mar 10 2006 at 5:56 am
Clifford: I hope that is something like that. Social aspect is the best thing in del.icio.us.
Gabriel Birke | Mar 10 2006 at 5:58 am
I laughed out loud when I wanted to convert the timezone and tried to search for the link for the timezone converter page on del.icio.us! Fortunately I have a backup of my links.
Now for the people in the CET time Zone (Most countries in central europe except GB): 4:00 am PST = 1:00 pm CET. If all goes planned, the site will be online by then.
Reiner | Mar 10 2006 at 6:01 am
Thanks for the “private saving” feature. This was the only reason i startet using ma.gnolia. But i don´t like their good looking but not useful layout.. design should follow function. Thanks for the improvments
keith_is_here_2004 | Mar 10 2006 at 6:02 am
I totally agree with Clifford - Bookmarks MUST be public by default. Will this be the case? I also agree that a default option to publish links anonymously should be added when private is selected.
Keith.
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 6:05 am
No worries. Sharing will be very strongly encouraged. Privacy will not be the default.
keith_is_here_2004 | Mar 10 2006 at 6:06 am
Now that yahoo have taken over and the money is coming in, it would be really great to have a backup read-only server during downtime, so that we can still at least access our bookmarks.
keith_is_here_2004 | Mar 10 2006 at 6:10 am
[Joke] Maybe you could put in 5 message boxes asking “Are you SURE you want to make this bookmark private?” everytime someone chooses private! :D [/Joke]
Iris | Mar 10 2006 at 6:12 am
What about the old feature of displaying people tags in the URL page … it was very useful!! please give us the option to switch back to it :(
Richard.H | Mar 10 2006 at 6:12 am
Private saving is the one I have been expecting for a long long time! Cool, looking forward to it!
Somebody Somewhere | Mar 10 2006 at 6:16 am
DUDE! This is taking forever! Come on already!
Mestrinho | Mar 10 2006 at 6:17 am
I´m new at tag´s system.. And i´m loving it.. Make it better, and this system could grow more..
Greetings
Somebody Somewhere | Mar 10 2006 at 6:20 am
After reading more comments…
1:00 CET!!!!!!!!
That is more than half our European workday, gone - kapoooot - shot - out…man, this was bad bad bad planning.
How about a Sunday, but a Friday morning…not cool.
They should have found a more neutral time, or shared impact bewteen US and Europe audiences. I DON’T have a backup of my links, and my blog has a plugin to display my links on it which is quite blank right now…how about email notification in the future?
Amir | Mar 10 2006 at 6:21 am
Good Luck….
Small Paul | Mar 10 2006 at 6:21 am
“Update 12:13am Pacific: Just started the first change. I expect this part to take one hour.”
Hee hee! Ah, best laid plans :) Hope it’s going well.
Mentifex | Mar 10 2006 at 6:22 am
Aargh! I gotta run some searches to find artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning (ML) weblogs. Godspeed to you!
Pedro Victor | Mar 10 2006 at 6:25 am
Yeah, please, next time do this in sunday :(
Pedro | Mar 10 2006 at 6:34 am
To Somebody Somewhere (in europe..)
I’m also in Europe. But I don’t complain.. i understand, enhancements are great.
And it is not easy to update a whole system.
And it is free of charge, and without ads.
I don’t think adding angry comments will shorten the upgrade-time.
So to all the people behind del.icio.us. Keep the good job and thanks.
Now, some political discussion:
I know that Yahoo is now behind del.icio.us. And I don’t know what to do. On the first hand, I decided to boycott Yahoo since they have given informations that lead to the arrest of a Chinese journalist On the other hand, del.icio.us is a great service..
pedro | Mar 10 2006 at 6:38 am
To all people complaining about the unavailability of del.icio.us, there is a nice plugin for firefox called foxilicious http://dietrich.ganx4.com/foxylicious/
This will copy your links into firefox. So even if del.icio.us is not available you have a backup.
Alexander Rødseth | Mar 10 2006 at 6:39 am
You can’t just take down the site like that! Keep the old version running while you work! You’ve got all my bookmarks, and now I can’t access them!
Alexander Rødseth | Mar 10 2006 at 6:40 am
And now you’ve also made my e-mail address public. This sucks.
uzbek | Mar 10 2006 at 6:42 am
can’t wait the new features…
Keep up the good job…
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 6:42 am
We can’t run the old version. It’s the underlying systems that need to be upgraded.
blewit | Mar 10 2006 at 6:56 am
Some suggestions for next time maintenance has to be carried out
1. Make the default error message a bit professional (1 line of ASCII text is a bit 1990s …)
2. Make RSS feed links return valid RSS, not said line of ASCII text [At least if people syndicate their feed on their website they’ll have the benefit of your nice worded maintenance announcement - not some random parse error, or just nothing]
3. At least look into making people’s bookmarks available on the normal URL [Make them read-only and sourced from a stand-alone data table if you must]
4. Look at the earlier suggestion about letting people add links to an interim database for later integration [It’s not rocket science]
If you did all of the above I don’t think there would be as many frustrated users today. I don’t believe any of the above suggestions are unworkable for a modern tech company with a smart tech team.
Yes, we don’t pay for this service. Yes, we have no *right* to complain. You *are* perfectly within your rights to ignore me :)
However, incidents like today mean I *will* look at other providers. Before today - it hadn’t even occurred to me to look to see if there were alternates … Not a good move for a business that’s (Presumably) driving to gain market share …
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 6:59 am
Thanks for the suggestions. As we continue to build the system we will try to incorporate them.
Somebody Somewhere | Mar 10 2006 at 7:07 am
Sorry if I came off as angry, more like frustrated.
I am grateful to del.icio.us. Yes, enhancements are good! I love these guys, and encourage them to keep up the great work!
However, this being said Pedro, they CAN schedule their maintenance times, believe it or not. I undertand that their US clients are probably much higher in number than the European stock over here. So, I would probably do the same thing they did, I’m sure they have a rational for doing this on a Friday morning for Europe…but I don’t see it, and I didn’t get a heads up about it.
An hour down is cool, 4 I can deal with. It hurts, but I’ll deal.
Also, everyone is so excited about private bookmarks, but what happens when they do something like this in the future and you loose those as well?
I’m not mad, I’m not upset, I’m just voicing my opinion and concern regarding the choice of time, day, duration, and lack of communication to the users.
Finally, comments that linger off topic are ususally deleted in my experience.
l.m.orchard | Mar 10 2006 at 7:13 am
When you leave del.icio.us, can I have your room? And maybe that Def Leppard poster?
Somebody Somewhere | Mar 10 2006 at 7:13 am
P.S. I’m not looking for another service…del.icio.us had me at hello!
Toast | Mar 10 2006 at 7:13 am
Another side effect of this - as everyone rushes over to blinklist (which has had all these “new” del features for some time now, and more), it’s making Blinklist uber-slow! Hurry up so I can get back to using my bookmarks from a service which ISN’T backed by a corporate who bow to pressure from a communist dictatorship (mind you, Google ain’t much better in that respect, but that’s another story)
Bob | Mar 10 2006 at 7:15 am
Blimey, lay off the outrage.
Its a free service, we could have taken backups.
Not being able to bookmark is not the end of the world, possibly its irritating. I do not know what kind of business critical app runs of del.icio.us, and requires bookmarking but maybe having an alternative would be good. And blogging sites… jeez will you listen to yourselves. Take a break, enjoy the sun, but relax.
As I believe Joshua pointed out ages ago, they analysed their traffic load and picked the best time frame. Always going to annoy someone, but please leave off bashing their professionalism.
It all seems very churlish.
somedidy | Mar 10 2006 at 7:15 am
@Alexander Rødseth: PLONK!
Pedro Victor | Mar 10 2006 at 7:16 am
Def Leppard? Like, that one-handed drum player? :P
aaron | Mar 10 2006 at 7:17 am
I agree Bob !
Chill guys… its all to serve us better !
Somebody Somewhere | Mar 10 2006 at 7:17 am
Bob is right…i’m sorry.
choosenick | Mar 10 2006 at 7:17 am
Hi, enhancements, more features, very nice of you guys. Feature I’ve wanted for ages is to be able to get all the tags or bookmarks from multiple users - i.e
http://del.icio.us/user1+user2+user3/tag/tag1+tag2 etc
Any chance that this could be included on some kind of wish list please! Would make a lot of sense, I’m thinking that it would enable users, or groups of users to create their own on the fly navigation tools for community sites, provide much more info about shared tags, not just shared URL’s (without hammering delicious too hard as the old get all tags feature did), and be useful for shared blog sites etc . . . You could limit it to 10 usernames or something . . .
Anyway, keep up the great work!
Pedro Victor | Mar 10 2006 at 7:29 am
It’s back :D
keith_is_here_2004 | Mar 10 2006 at 7:31 am
Hey choosenick thats a great idea. You can already do that with the RSS feeds though - I found a site that lets you blend multiple feeds into one. Wish I could give you the link but it’s in my bookmarks… D’OH! When del.icio.us comes back online go to http://del.icio.us/keith_is_here_2004/rss - It’s somewhere in there.
Mentifex | Mar 10 2006 at 7:39 am
Although I resent some of the categorizations made at http://del.icio.us/tag/mentifex nevertheless Joshua et al. are providing a cutting-edge change-the-world type service free of charge to the globe of Netizens, and we should all take this serendipitous opportunity to express our heartfelt, passive-memetic Thank-Yous to Joshua and everybody working with Joshua. -Arthur (Mentifex)
keith_is_here_2004 | Mar 10 2006 at 7:40 am
I agree. Thank you Joshua et al!
mo | Mar 10 2006 at 7:41 am
since the last power outtages of december and january, we all should have learned. i backup my bookmarks every few days and upload it on my own server, so i have no problems today. its not that hard to bookmark your stuff temporary in your browser’s bookmarks. its impossible to please *everybody*, especially when you run a free service for a world-wide community. so stop crying, del.icio.us will be back again in a few moments and “everything’s gonna be alright”.
Somebody Somewhere | Mar 10 2006 at 7:52 am
Rock on guys, thanks for keeping it to schedule, ahead actually.
That is crazy rare, so monster kudos to ya!
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 7:55 am
Alas, it was almost an hour behind schedule. And I had hoped to keep it to two hours, but I was tripped up by a mysql configuraton issue.
Gita | Mar 10 2006 at 8:01 am
Tags are still randomly reordering themselves. I used inline edit to fix a page of them, refreshed, and the order changed. Should I start a dialogue with support@ about this, or continue here? (For example, entered tags in this order: toronto jobs, refreshed and ended up with: jobs toronto; entered tags in this order: toronto org women tech, refreshed and ended up with: women tech org canada; etc.)
joshua | Mar 10 2006 at 8:06 am
No, we’re on it. I’ll push a release when the bug is fixed.
Gabriel Birke | Mar 10 2006 at 8:12 am
Now that the upgrade is done - many thanks for providing your service. It’s an indispensable tool for me!
balancethat | Mar 10 2006 at 10:04 am
Thank You!
I can be lazy at times, which results in a messy del.icio.us setup.. this should make it easier to tidy up my links…
Out of all the damn “web services” I’ve signed up for…. this remains the only that I keep using..
Biggups
Dilbert | Mar 10 2006 at 11:03 am
i really think that the private bookmarking is WRONG for this website!
you take the sharing from this website you stay with nothing.
prospero | Mar 10 2006 at 11:56 am
where is the private bookmarking, i haven’t seen it and i thought it was included in this update?
Gita | Mar 10 2006 at 2:22 pm
prospero: No, it’s not included in the update. Joshua said, “Just after midnight on Thursday, we’ll be bringing down the site to roll out some database changes, which will allow us to release private saving and a few related features in the following week.” So we’ll see the changes next week. Hope that helps.
Gita | Mar 10 2006 at 3:17 pm
Yay! Thank you for fixing the tag order bug. =]
ghp | Mar 10 2006 at 5:08 pm
i’m a big fan of del.icio.us, and i was disappointed when i discovered i could no longer view all the tags people give to a URL but i just noticed it’s back! thank you! this feature is highly valuable to anyone interested in studying tagging and folksonomy practices!
Kent Bye | Mar 10 2006 at 6:10 pm
Thanks for allowing me to see the URLs listed by list and frequency again. Great turnaround response time.
Tim | Mar 11 2006 at 2:46 am
props to l.m. orchard. Some people will complain about anything.
Thanks for the great service. I appreciate it, and appreciate your working late into the night to put in new features for all of us to enjoy for free.
Tales | Mar 11 2006 at 5:46 am
Hi,
The contact mailers don’t work for me in Firefox/Safari on my mac or Firefox/IE on my PC. They just don’t open and IE even says “errors on page”. Could you fix this please?
Also, a simple improvement to add, can you have the database merge entries without ‘www’ together? For example, http://www.technorati.com and technorati.com have seperate entries. Seems pretty silly to me.
Otherwise, greatly enjoying the site.
Thanks.
chris | Mar 11 2006 at 12:02 pm
I like the new interface to edit the bookmark! It was very tedious before. Thank you for your effort and expect more new features coming out ^_^
pearl | Mar 12 2006 at 3:04 pm
The new changes are amazing. Thank you!!!
Stop Spamming | Mar 14 2006 at 9:17 am
Spammers found del.icio.us http://del.icio.us/ajwassoc8
cherie | Mar 14 2006 at 10:31 am
@joshua:
Is the listing order getting changed on the user’s main page again? When I edit a tag or add a new tag to an old bookmark entry I posted before, the old bookmark moves to the top of the list with the date posted reset on the main page. Does that mean if I renamed a tag all entries re-tagged with the new name would move up to the top?
Briana | Mar 14 2006 at 3:44 pm
Oh and matt, theres a guy here in Edmonton who lokks exactly as you, it kind of scary. I don’t know who is but whenever we see each other we just look at each other in this “I know you” but we don’t kind of way. So when you come to edmonton you should check him out because he is your long lost twin except he can only be about 18.
Briana | Mar 14 2006 at 3:46 pm
oh my god I can’t spell. Sorry
Amy Hoy | Mar 14 2006 at 8:27 pm
Please bring back the ability to see individual dates on bookmark events on the URL history page. Or at least on which dates a bookmark was made, regardless of the user who made it.
Rob Loach | Mar 15 2006 at 10:06 am
What del.icio.us needs is a good web designer.
Daiko | Mar 15 2006 at 10:41 am
…is del.icio.us going to have a community forum in the future? (It’s not that I particularily want us to have one, it’s just that that might be a better way for all us users and others to communicate effectively about whats going on for del.icio.us as a whole)
-I’m thinking that forums with usernames linked to our specific accounts on here would be better than having so many comments on the blog like this… but then, that’s just me…
(especially a Support forum would be good*- or even a place to request for new features… it would probably be more organized than having us all multi-post on an outdated journal entry when we need to communicate something
*I was inspired to post that since Chris had found that this account: http://del.icio.us/ajwassoc8 had fallen prey to A LOT of spam.)
Anyways, thanks for the hard work on everything here…
(I’d say more, but I’ve got to eat…)
-Daiko~
(pray for me)
(please be well.)
keith_is_here_2004 | Mar 15 2006 at 11:17 am
MULTI-TAG LISTING IS BROKEN!
http://del.icio.us/keith_is_here_2004/linux+FC1 gives 3 items, all of which also include the tag ‘fedora’, but http://del.icio.us/keith_is_here_2004/linux+FC1+fedora gives no items!
no | Mar 15 2006 at 2:17 pm
No, Rob - del.icio.us has a very great design, what’s wrong for you? I think it’s very simple & effective to use.
Forums is a good idea.
Thanks for the recent changes; it’s getting better, better, and better, joshua, wow!
max | Mar 15 2006 at 8:52 pm
Keith, I’m seeing four items when i look at the linux+FC1+fedora intersection. It’s possible that our cache had a brief hiccup when you were looking at it.
telefan | Mar 15 2006 at 9:35 pm
hi, joshua, when will a few new thing deploy which you promise happen within this week?
mcassimatis | Mar 16 2006 at 1:02 am
A bug? I thought I’d noticed the latter part of my notes disappearing from some bookmarks. Just now, I observed that this happens after opening the in-line edit (where the notes field content appears truncated) and then saving: Only the truncated note that was visible in the edit-box then remains.
I’m surprised not to find any other comment here about this. It can be worked around, by going to full-screen edit for any bookmark with long notes… but of course I’d welcome the ability to edit in-line without losing note space. In any case, I appreciate the great service provided here. Thanks.
helge | Mar 16 2006 at 3:21 am
there seems to be a bug now: see http://del.icio.us/bilog - some tags are not shown in the tag list (but are as tags at the link)
keith_is_here_2004 | Mar 16 2006 at 8:52 am
Thanks Max, it’s working again now.
dancurry | Mar 16 2006 at 7:00 pm
My Cocoalicious reader stopped loading bookmarks a few days ago. Can’t get it to work. Even downloaded new version. What’s going on?
jtrip | Mar 16 2006 at 10:18 pm
thank you for inline editing :)
barry | Mar 17 2006 at 4:30 pm
Antisocial settings not working? Front page and /recent showing blacklisted posters. Freakin’ spambots.
Boris_kun | Mar 20 2006 at 2:51 am
*Problem Report on INLINE EDIT feature*
(In Japanese language environment)
Cannnot edit notes properly.
When using IME (Input Method Editor), pushing the Enter key to select one from several candidates of characters (usually Japanese characters) causes to close inline editing window.
Best regards
benbun | Mar 29 2006 at 12:25 pm
Is there a way to change the order of the bookmarks. The latest ones are at the top of the list- can I change this to have the ones I want at the top of the list.
Thanks
alaa | Mar 29 2006 at 9:08 pm
Good Luck
yondrak | Apr 6 2006 at 1:42 am
inline editing is not functioning using firefox1.5.0.1 for mac osx10.3.9. but only when change to the full screen editing could do.
Toronto tenants | Apr 14 2006 at 12:07 pm
Maybe you should have read the Electricity Power Blackout and Outage Tips http://www.ontariotenants.ca/apartment_living/blackout.phtml ? ;-)
MikeM | May 12 2006 at 10:11 am
Almost as good as Furl now. Good job!
claphamomnibus | Jul 6 2006 at 4:24 pm
Recently this seems to be losing edits/updates to existing posts, dunno if it’s inline editing or replication lag across servers but i’m going nuts making updates only to find they’re being “lost-in-space”, are the updates not being reflected/replicated or going down a drain - help, inline editing is convenient and efficient but losing edits is driving me nuts :o)
Mark Catanzareti | Jul 24 2006 at 3:14 pm
I’m new to del.icio.us, and would like to say that it looks like a great service.
Blob | Sep 6 2006 at 8:58 pm
Inline editing doesn’t work in Opera. At all.
britta | Sep 6 2006 at 9:15 pm
Blob: it’s a known nasty bug, and we’re working on it. You can use the little link to “full-screen edit” as a workaround if you like.
maxx | Sep 21 2006 at 3:54 pm
Very good job.
puzzled | Dec 6 2006 at 12:31 pm
does anyone know how to toggle the inline editing on and off? it doesn’t always work and I’d like to turn it on when it sends me to the full-page editing. thank you in advance.